Paint It Green

I think we should actively work towards better representation of the Green Party in the media. We are not so far behind NDP in the polls, yet, NDP gets much more media attention than our party. I think this is a must if we want to help our candidates actually win in their ridings in the coming elections. Also, should the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition take over the government I think we should use that chance to promote change of electoral system from the current first past the post one to combined first past the post and proportional representation electoral system. Along with our party Liberal Party would also benefit from such change of electoral system and we should, therefore, lobby them to promote this change.

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Make sure that the Green Paint will stick.

While I agree that electoral reform is needed, I find it distasteful and opportunistic( in the worst sense) that we would consider an attempt to make changes without having earned the right through the current process or at least not by circumventing the will of voters across Canada. We need to be careful not to voice unilateral support to the coalition. The last poll showed more than 65% of Canadians oppose the alliance.(This weekends poll shows more than that number supporting the leaked pieces of the budget). I agree with them. You can calculate the percentages in any convoluted way you want but in the end the percentage of Canadians who voted for a Liberal/ND/Bloc government is 0%.
If this group wants to govern, then let them go to the electorate as a united front in a general election. My guess would be that they would hold zero seats and the Green Party would be the oficial opposition.

Bloc is not part of coalition government

65% of Canadians may object to lib/ndp/bloc government because they aren't being presented with the real situation. So this poll isn't really valid. I agree that we don't have to come out and endorse the coalition's platform unilaterally. We shouldn't. But we do have to recognize the legal and constitutional legitimacy of the coalition government. We should be making the same demands of a coalition as we are of the conservatives. No matter who forms the government we have expectations and demands as the Green Party of Canada.

The coalition government is made up of the liberals and ndp. The bloc have stated that they will not participate in the government as this is against the bloc's purpose in parliament. They have agreed that they will not defeat the government on non-confidence motions that may be brought by the conservatives and only for the first three years of the mandate. They have not agreed to support coalition legislation. This non-confidence agreement also does not apply if the coalition uses non-confidence votes to play chicken with the opposition.

Yes you can add up the vote anyway you want except for the fact that Canadians voted for a minority government for the third time. If the conservatives cannot maintain the confidence of the house then the liberals and the ndp have the constitutional right to present themselves as a coalition alternative to form another minority government. The coalition is still lead by the liberals who would, under the coalition agreement, compose the majority of MPs and the liberal leader would be the Prime Minister. It's still a minority liberal government the same as if they had won the minority in the election. A liberal minority that cannot survive without ndp/bloc votes of support for its legislation.

The advantage of the coalition is that the liberals are forced to share power more directly with the ndp which isn't a bad thing. Having ndp MPs as Ministers in the government is not a bad thing. If the liberals had formed a minority in October they would probably have made a similar agreement with the ndp and bloc. (if they were smart that is.)

Canadians have made it clear in three elections that they don't want to give majority status to either the conservatives or liberals. Canadians have three times made it clear they don't trust Stephen Harper. Canadians have made it clear three times already that they want parliament to cooperate by voting for minority governments. Canadians have made it clear they want more action and protection on the environment. Stephen Harper has now made it clear twice, he won't act or bring in protections to the environment.

What on earth do you want? Another election that may only give Ignatieff a minority government where he will have to seek the cooperation of the ndp and bloc? They already have that opportunity now. Canadians voting for a liberal minority in an election has the same legal and constitutional legitimacy as a liberal negotiated coalition government that defeats a minority conservative government. They don't have to face the electorate as that same coalition.

In terms of the original post we need to stop worrying about whether we are close to or doing better than the ndp. Our goal is to get Green MPs into parliament. The national media is never going to give equal and fair coverage of all contending parties. The ndp in fairness also has the disadvantage of not having equal coverage. We need to get the media where we can. This can happen on the local level through EDAs and should be happening. Some do this better than others.

We should never stop endorsing proportional representation but avoid endorsing any one particular version of it.

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It is not official Green Party Policy.

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Greens need to be Greens (only)

I agree that the goal should be to elect Green MPs and to that end we should expose the coalition for what it really is - a desperate power grab. We should not tacitly or implicitly suggest we support one of the 4 parties (or their leader) but rather that we support specific initiatives and actions. I believe we have an opportunity to demonstrate a principled, valued based alternative to all 4 parties that have seats in Parliament. We do this by setting ourselves apart (above) the political backbiting and nonsensical rhetoric.
Electing an MP from GPC won't be easy but this childish riff actually could open doors to a disgruntled electorate.

"setting ourselves apart (above)"

The view from up here has the coalition a creative & sensible thing. See earlier http://www.greenparty.ca/en/blogs/338/2008-12-07/g... , esp. 1st & penultimate paragraphs; and http://www.greenparty.ca/en/node/8680#comment-8891 referred to in the 1st link.

Coalitions and Pragmatism

I personally don't think that coalitions should not be considered a natural reality of our political life. They are a reality in many other countries and I don't see why Canada should be an exception. I think that we, Greens, should embrace pragmatism more. I think that our pragmatism should be, for a start, reflected through clear public voicing of current green views on everything, from economic development to war. That's what my Paint It Green blog title above stands for. I believe that we should present green view on all that goes on and, by that, take our party from ideological to mainstream position. If we want to take our party from the sidelines to a central parliamentary and governing position we must plow ahead the way Green Party in Germany did. We should be ready for compromises but we should, also, keep our green label when it comes to anything - we should, I agree, make sure that Green paint sticks. As far as introducing proportional representation goes (I argue in favor of a combined first past the post and proportional representation system) I don't think there is an ethical issue that should prevent us from introducing it before we make it to the parliament by using current means (although I would love to see that happen - yet, we need to be more competitive and more mainstream to do it). If the current system leaves a significant percentage of voters unrepresented and their votes not accounted for I don't think that we should hesitate to introduce a system that would make sure that they are represented in the legislature too.