Conservative Carbon Capture: Good Value for Money?

"We will not – and let me be clear about this – aggravate an already weakening economy in the name of environmental progress." - Jim Prentice, Federal Minister of Environment.

Stephen Harper and the Conservatives believe that the environment must always take a back-seat to the economy. In their reality, the "economy" and the "environment" are separate files, each to be managed as best as possible, but clearly distinct from another. And as distinct files, there must be priorities. And the environment isn’t it.

Outside of the spin-inhabited world of the Cons exists the real world. In the real world, the economy and the environment have always been linked to one another, and will continue to be; to say that they are flip sides of the same coin does not really do justice to the reality. The interconnections are so entwined that they are manifest within each other; the environment IS the economy, and the economy IS the environment.

A lack of understanding of this reality by Conservatives and Liberals has led to the situation where many of our elected officials are reluctant to act on the climate crisis which is engulfing the planet. Where there is the perception that jobs might be at stake, actions to curb the degradation of our natural environment must perforce be put on hold.

Often, the argument to do so is about jobs, and money. "It will cost too much money to do anything about the environment, and we’ll lose jobs in the process. This will have a negative impact on our sputtering economy."

And as such, nothing gets down. Oh sure, some things might be seen to get done. And maybe a lot of money is being spent to create the illusion of action, so that when the time comes, the Conservatives can go to the voters and toot their own horn, saying, "Look at us. Even in these difficult economic times, we’re doing our part to address climate change. We’ve invested X number of millions of dollars..."

Sure, it’s greenwashing, but it will be compelling.

Especially when the fill in the "X".

The "X" is likely to be in the billions of dollars. We’ve seen some signs of this already in the January budget, when about $700 million federal dollars were allocated for "environmental" initiatives. Add in provincial contributions, and you’re likely to see an "X" of about $1.5 billion. Maybe it’s more. Jeffrey Simpson, in an article in today’s Globe and Mail (which prompted me to write this blog), uses a figure of $2 billion, which also includes provincial funding.

And Conservative funding slash campaign announcements will not be hesitant to include the provincial funding in their press releases. Always announce the highest number when it comes to funding announcements, even if it’s overly-manipulated or not-quite true. It’s the one which will stick in people’s minds.

So, what will Canada get for its $1.5 billion investment in "environmental" initiatives? Ideally, we should be getting quite a lot for this sort of investment.

Unfortunately, the lion’s share of this "investment" is going to the Alberta Tar Sands industry, to facilitate the development of carbon capture and storage technology. As much as $1.2 billion or more (more if you use Simpson’s numbers).

And what will be achieved? According to Simpson, who uses the government’s own "best case scenario", an overall reduction of 2.1 million tonnes of carbon dioxide which otherwise would have been emitted. Of course, since this will likely fall within the "intensity-based targets" being designed for tar sands emissions, we’ll still see an overall increase of carbon dioxide being emitted from the tar sands...just not as much as we would see without these projects.

Well, that must be good value for our money, no? I mean, if the Conservatives are willing to invest $1.2 billion in the Tar Sands, and if it prevents the emission of 2.1 million tonnes of CO2, that must be a good investment, no?

Well...no. First, it’s a preventative measure, which is necessary, but remember that we’ll still see an overall rise in emissions occur here.

Second, the scenario is "best case". Carbon capture and storage technology is still pie-in-the-sky. It’s untested, and it’s quite unclear what the end results in emissions reductions will be. Could be more, sure...but it could be a lot less. Remember: announce the highest numbers, because they are the ones which stick in people’s minds. No one really knows what the end result in emissions prevention will be.

Third, is $1.2 billion really a lot of money (or $2 billion, if you use Simpson’s numbers?). Well, sure, it’s nothing to scoff at. But how much money did our governments recently chip in to bail out the auto industry? I seem to think that maybe it was as much as $6 billion. And how much is allocated to our armed forces in a given year? Something like $10 billion. And what is the budget deficit which our government is going to have to seek to do something about in 2011, through funding cuts and asset sales? Something like $60 billion annually for 2009-10, so about $120 billion.

So maybe $1.2 billion (or even $2 billion) isn’t all that much after all.

And finally...(and this is the one which I was not aware of, so thanks go to Mr. Simpson for pointing this out...and I’ll use Simpson’s numbers from here on in, because he, a nationally-published journalist, likely considered this to a far greater extent than I, an off-the-cuff complainer, have)...and finally, what about value for money?

Well, Simpson estimates that for every tonne of carbon dioxide which will be prevented from being permitted, it will cost $761 dollars. How does this measure up to the costs of other ways of preventing CO2 emissions?

It’s not even on the same planet, that’s how. To illustrate, based on research which took me less than 60-seconds to acquire, I just visited Wikipedia’s Carbon Off-Set article, and discovered that in 2006, about $5.5 billion in carbon offsets were purchased, representing 1.6 billion tons in CO2 reductions. Convert that to metric, and it works out to about 1.45 tonnes (if my online converter is to be trusted). Divide the cost of $5.5 billion by the 1.45 tonne reduction, and you end up with a price of about $3.79 per tonne.

Three dollars and seventy-nine cents per tonne of C02 reductions, versus the Conservative’s "investment" in reducing CO2 at the cost of $761 dollars per tonne. In a best-case scenario.

Admittedly, my comparison here is flawed. What do you want for a 6-second investment of time? But keep in mind that I have decided to walk or bike to work each day, or take transit in lousy weather, instead of driving the car. The cost to me has actually been less than zero...I’m making money by not driving the car AND reducing my CO2 emissions to the tune of about one and a half tonnes a year. So whether my math is bang-on or not, or whether you believe in off-sets, the point I’m making is that it’s freaking absurd to think that there’s good value for the money in paying $761 per tonne for CO2 reductions.

Is it any wonder that the Conservatives believe that trying to fix the environment will cost too much money and be detrimental to our economy? Maybe, when it comes to a "fix", they’re just barking up the wrong tree.

Using public funds to invest in carbon capture and storage technology is clearly the "wrong tree". Maybe they could save a few bucks and reduce CO2 in our atmosphere by simply planting a few trees.

And this from the Party which continues to poll the highest as the "best financial managers" of any Canadian political party.

Frankly, this whole situation is absurd.

Read Jeffrey Simpson’s article again. It was an eye-opener, for sure. I liked it so much, I’ll link it here again for you.

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Update (October 22, 2009):

It was brought to my attention that the Globe & Mail, on Thursday October 22, 2009, provided a Correction Notice to the Jeffrey Simpson article, from which this post referenced considerably. The Globe & Mail’s correction provides a significantly reduced estimate for the cost per tonne of CO2 reductions through the to-be-funded carbon capture and storage projects. Today, the G&M estimates the cost to be around $30 per tonne, and not the $761 originally estimated by Simpson in his article, and which I have used as a benchmark in my blogpost.

This significantly reduced cost estimate appears to alter some of the opinion I have formed with regards to carbon capture and storage: I am least, in a very small way, somewhat mollified that the $2.1 billion "investment" in this untried technology may not be the absolute complete and utter waste of resources which I believed to be the case the other day.

What has not changed, however, is my opinion that the pursuit of carbon capture and storage technology as a sensible way of reducing greenhouse gases in an effort to avert the oncoming climate crisis which we find ourselves in, is, to be blunt, wrongheaded, mis-guided, and utterly at odds with the responsible management of our tax dollars. This scheme is being perpetuated on the Canadian people because there may be some benefit in using stored carbon to extract oil from the tar sands, and because there will be a benefit for the Conservatives at the polls come election time when they will use the $2.1 billion environmental "investment" in this technology in an attempt to deceive the Canadian public that they are actually committed to taking action to avert climate change.

So, no, it may not be the "complete and utter waste" I believed it to be earlier. I’ll downgrade it to being one of those "marginal at-best" contributions to fighting global warming, but one which certainly costs us all way too much and which diverts resources away from programs and initiatives which might actually do some good for the natural environment.

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Perception above all else

Sad as it is, perception is much greater than reality in politics.  People like to have buckets to put things in.  Liberals = tax and spend, NDP = super tax and super spend, Conservatives = cut taxes & spending.  Ignore the fact the Liberals were the only ones to ever cut health care (factor out their cuts and Harris didn't cut health care iirc) and the Conservatives were the ones to set records for spending increases and deficits. 

What also is sad is that many will read that article and go 'see, environmentalism is too expensive'.  Sigh.

John Northey
Wellington-Halton Hills

Costs

Thanks for the comment, John. Your posts are always very insightful. It did not occur to me that many would read Simpson’s article and come to the conclusion that taking action on the environment is too expensive. Simpson could have said a little bit more about how inexpensive action can be, rather than leaving the $761 per tonne amount dangling out there on its own, its only friend being the $100 billion cost by 2020.

"Sudbury" Steve May

Carbon Capture is a fraud

I would like to point out again much as I have commented on this topic before that the whole "Carbon Capture" scenario is a massive fraud on the Canadian people. The technique of so called carbon capture is really the enhanced oil recovery technique of carbon dioxide flooding being renamed. This is similar to the re-naming of the "tar" sands to "oil" sands to make the bloody stuff seem better to the public. Carbon dioxide flooding is a method (currently at the research stage) where depleted oil fields are injected with carbon dioxide gas in order to increase their oil production levels. The research on it is extremely expensive. So what Harper/Prentice's strategy is is to rejig investment in CO2 flooding as "carbon capture" and then place it under the environmental file. In other words the Canadian people are paying for expensive secondary oil recovery research for oil companies that will add to the profitability of these companies and being decieved by the Conservatives that it is actually an environmental program. It is a sham and a fraud on the Canadian people (and I have a Masters in Earth Sciences / Geology and have done a graduate course in enhanced oil recovery methods at Uof Calgary). If anybody questions this answer me this question: Why are all the companies being given these grants oil companies and not environmental companies? If the oil companies want to research CO2 flooding I say they should do so on their own dime. Why are the Canadian people. . in a time of massive public debt and recession.  . . paying for this. Conservatives are the first ones opposed to "bailouts" of auto companies from central Canada but don't have any problem with this corporate welfare in the oil patch. It just shows the extent to which Harper is endebted to these oil companies. All the money the Conservatives are raising is just the wealthy paying for the tax cuts and stalling on the environment. The idea that the environment and economies are separate is a policy from the 70's.

These views are my own and not necesarily those of the Green Party.

Enhanced Oil Recovery / Greenwashing

Thanks for your comments.  I had not seen that angle of the debate.  You are correct.  We should not be publicly funding oil companies to research new ways of recovering more oil from these fields.

Carbon Sequestering is possible at great depths and pressures, but as with all good ideas is to my knowledge not practical and is rather expensive.  It would be cheaper to just not produce it by leaving the oil in the ground in the first place.

An added point

I would just like to add that by positioning carbon dioxide flooding as part of the Conservatives environmental policy/action it leads to the perversion of monies designated for environmental programs being given to some of the largest CO2 emitters and wealthiest companies. The whole thing is truly an obsenity. Somebody should be telling the media about this. It makes adscam look like mere shoplifting.

Media knows CCS is a scam

The media knows, or should know, already. George Monbiot has a high profile and has written about CCS being a scam: Burnt Out: The government’s plans for clean coal are another great green scam. By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 18th March 2008

Excerpt:
For the companies which will bid to bury the gas, one technique is more attractive than the others. This is to pump it into declining oil fields. The gas dissolves into the remaining oil, reducing its viscosity and pushing it into the production wells. It’s called enhanced oil recovery (EOR). The oil the companies sell offsets some of the costs of carbon storage.

A few weeks ago, the green thinker Jim Bliss roughly calculated the environmental costs of this technique. He used as his case study the scheme BP proposed (but abandoned last year) for pumping CO2 into the Miller Field off the coast of Scotland. It would have buried 1.3m tonnes of CO2 and extracted 40 million barrels of oil(10). Taking into account only the four major fuel products, Bliss worked out that the total carbon emissions would outweigh the savings by between seven and fifteen times(11)*.

Great Article

The Monbiot article was excellent and once again uses FACTS to fight ingnorance.  The more we know the better.

Error in Monbiot article on CCS

For the record, there is an error in the Monbiot article I quoted above, which is what the asterisk was meant to point out:

" *Jim Bliss has now been in touch to say that he was misled by the wording of BP’s press release. The scheme would in fact have stored 1.3m tonnes of CO2 per annum, which means that it would have resulted in a net CO2 saving (of around 50%). My apologies for this mistake."

G&M publishes a correction re: the cost per tonne for CC&S

Thank you for bringing the Globe & Mail’s "Correction" piece to my attention. An estimated cost of $30 per tonne of CO2 is significantly less than the number used by Simpson, and which I in part relied on in my initial post ($761 per tonne).

Clearly, this changes the complexion of part of the case I had been making in my blog. My thanks go out to SIR (perhaps one of the "Anonymous" posters on my blogspot site) for bringing to my attention the Globe & Mail’s correction. This only came to my attention today, as I do not monitor my blogs every day.

As a result of this new information, I have added an addendum my original posts on the GPC blog site and on my own blogsite. The addendum includes a link to the Globe & Mail’s correction notice.

And finally, FYI, as this came up in comments posted on another site, I have never blocked participation by anyone on my own blogsite in the past. I currently have no intention of doing so, either.

"Sudbury" Steve May

CC&S cost.

At $30/tonne, this is actually respectable.

But this furthers the debate of how we should be funding carbon reduction technologies.  If you ask me, had there been a push to tax carbon at very modest levels of say a few dollars per tonne, the taxes would already exist in North America.  Instead, aggressiveness amongst enviros gave conservatives a big out by giving them a fear card that they play over and over.   The proceeds could have already been used to fund carbon reduction technologies.

I don't really care how we reduce emissions.  People here are against sequestering because it permits the continuation of fossil fuel extraction.  To me, that argument misses the point:

(1) Tax CO2 emissions; (2) subsidize CO2 reductions; (3) find the equilibrium to minimize net effect on job; and (4) let the market figure out the rest.

Just to clarify

I have never been against carbon dioxide flooding I am just saying the taxpayer should not be subsidizing the research. It takes money away from other environmental programs and is simply blatant corporate welfare and is being misrepresented to Canadians. Bottom line is oil companies are not interested in carbon dioxide flooding for environmental reasons they are interested because they will increase their oil recovery. The Conservatives should just be honest with people and call it what it is.

proceeds of a carbon tax?

I believe our policy is to set a carbon tax, but does anyone know what we plan on doing with the proceeds? 

Would the proceeds be segregated for carbon reduction subsidies, or would it just go into general revenue as a method of reducing income taxes?

My assumption was originally the latter, but since the concept of revenue neutrality was voted out of the policy item, I question as to whether we would be committing those funds to anything in particular.

"Carbon Capture Can’t Clean the Tar Sands"

"Carbon Capture Can’t Clean the Tar Sands"

A new study produced by The Co-operative Financial Services and WWF-UK debunks the idea, lauded by oil companies and the Canadian government, that carbon capture and storage (CCS) will significantly counter the high levels of greenhouse gases emitted in the production of oil from the Alberta tar sands.

Whatever is in that study is

Whatever is in that study is probably not surprising.  I don't personally believe that sequestering can be economical.

What we need to know about sequestering is: (a) how much total cost; (b) how many tonnes of CO2 are removed for that cost.  Up front funding should probably be avoided; that is they would need to demonstrate it actually works before getting any funding.

I don't share the fear that this technology, even if it makes production cheaper will have any affect on the worldwide consumption of fossil fuels.

If it is a real method of reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, then they should qualify for subsidies like everyone else with the *exception* that any subsidy should be discounted by the associated production cost reduction it concurrently provides.  In this case, it probably means they would not qualify for any government funding.  But, as a matter of being fair, it shouldn't be disqualified simply because it looks "sinful."

 

Perils of becoming a 1-issue Party

An interesting tongue-in-cheek article. Begs the question, will the media eventually brand the GPC as a 0ne-issue party?

http://www.thestar.com/business/cleanbreak/article/716072--hamilton-clim...

Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay