Canadian Government Back to Killing the Electric Car (Only in Canada. Pity)
Recently, the Canadian makers of the Zenn electric car complained that the Canadian government blocks their sale in Canada. The cars can be sold in most of the United States and various other countries, but not Canada. The story hit CBC and the blogosphere, and the cars were approved for sale here. Were. No longer. The Canadian government has passed new rules such that the cars cannot be sold here. So much for Stephen Harper's "Made in Canada" solution to the climate crisis.
The quotes below are excerpts from a recent email from Zenn:
On December 22, 2007, only 50 days after granting the ZENN the National Safety Mark (clearing the way for ZENN to sell in the provinces that enact low-speed vehicle legislation) Transport Canada announced plans to REVISE THE DEFINITION OF LOW-SPEED VEHICLES.
The (paraphrased) existing Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) definition is as follows:
“Low Speed Vehicles are designed for on road use, have a regulated top speed of 40 KPH and are restricted to roads with a posted speed limit of 50KPH.”
This type of vehicle is legal in more than 40 of the 50 States and throughout Europe, Asia and South America in mixed-use environments and has an exemplary safety record when operated in its defined operating environments!
Sounds good, right? It did, so the government couldn't have that, and has proposed a revision that would mean that:
the ZENN would be UNABLE to operate on 50 KPH and slower public roads such as downtown Victoria, Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto. The ZENN, and vehicles like it would be forced to only operate on closed, private roads such as parks, university campuses and military bases.
What are the consequences to such a revision?
- The ZENN, and green vehicles like it will not enter the Canadian market
- Consumer choice for alternative, zero emission green vehicles will remain limited to bicycles
- Those provinces who wish to promote alternative forms of transportation (such as a Low-Speed Vehicle) will have to legislate in direct opposition to Transport Canada’s revised definition of limited on road use
It also means that the Zenn manufacturer is more likely to move their facilities elsewhere. Why make cars here that can't be sold here, especially given the strength of the Canadian dollar?
If you want to do something, one option is to write to the bureaucracy in charge of this nonsense. (Note: there is no way to know why Transport Canada is killing the Canadian electric car, but it seems highly likely that this is politically motivated. Look at who stands to lose: the Big Three automakers, which are strong enough to wangle $1B in subsidies despite laying off over 100,000 workers, and Big Oil, which gets $1.4 billion in subsidies despite record prices and record profits every year annually.)
Zenn cars: http://www.zenncars.com/
Write, call, and/or email this guy NOW, before Feb. 20, 2008:
by February 20, 2008 to:
Matthew Coons, Senior Regulatory Development Engineer, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation Directorate, Department of Transport, Place de Ville, Tower C, 8th Floor, 330 Sparks Street, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N5
tel.:613-998-1961
e-mail: coonsm@tc.gc.ca
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Zenn upgrading technology
In an article from the Economist there is a reference to Zenn replacing lead acid batteries with ultracapacitors.
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?...
"At least one firm is backing the logic of this argument in its showrooms rather than just in prototypes. Ian Clifford, the chief executive of the Zenn Motor Company in Toronto, has done a deal with EEStor to replace the lead-acid batteries in the small, low-speed electric cars that his firm sells for urban use. Mr Clifford reckons that ultracapacitors will transform his vehicles and enable them to be used on motorways as well as city streets."
Is the Zenn such a good idea?
I can't help but think it is better to wait for the right technology to come along and build a car that is capable of travelling at least 50km/h. I see three downsides to having slow moving vehicles on the street.
One is that it is going to hold up other traffic, which is probably going to cause petrol engined vehicles to be running at less efficiency (my understanding is that they are designed for best efficiency at much higher speeds in a higher gear ratio) than they might otherwise. If they add to congestion, this will probably also result in more idling at lights.
Then there is a safety issue. Like it or not, many drivers aren't going to be happy driving behind a Zenn, and the result may be more accidents trying to pass.
Finally, if these things do come on the market and get a bad rap, it may make marketing more realistic electric vehicles a mush harder proposition.
Derek Andrews
Nova Scotia
Zenn: Good for some, not for everyone
The same could be said of most vehicles. In Victoria, there are lots of SmartCars, the little two-seaters from Mercedes, costing about 20K. To many people, these are a complete waste of money; for less money, you can purchase a highly efficient and larger Toyota Yaris.
Another example - though not of a car. "Traffic calming" has become popular here. This takes two lanes of traffic and converts it into one car lane, a bike lane, and a median with plants in the middle. The purpose, and the problem, is that it slows the cars down. Where before they could pass the buses, now the cars must wait when the bus stops. (I would have preferred that we put the boulevards back in, because currently the road starts right at the edge of the sidewalk. This makes for an unpleasant and stressful walking experience.)
The point being, it is time to slow down. The Zenn makes sense as a neighbourhood car. I could use it to get groceries, to go play hockey, and so on. We cannot wait for the perfect vehicle, because that will never exist. Some people will want Hummer-sized electric cars that can go from 0-100 in seconds. Other people love roaring around on motorcycles that are so loud they set off car alarms and force conversations to pause until they go by. It is time to tell these people "too bad" - they will have to be socially and environmentally responsible whether they like it or not.
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
Mitsubishi Testing a Four-Seater Electric Car
This is why the Canadian government should be encouraging the development of this technology here: otherwise, we're going to end up buying it from the Japanese. The $1B we've poured into subsidies for the Big Three has been a waste; we should have been investing in electric car/bus/train technology and using that money to retrain workers.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/mitsubishi...
The range has been boosted to 160 km (99 miles) with the 16 kWh battery, which is 23% better than before. This means that the car can either be sold for less with the smaller battery, or with an even longer range and the bigger one. No word on top speed, but we can probably assume it's still close to 130 kph (81 mph).
The expected price is expected to be less than USD $17,000 when the car goes on the market in 2010.
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
ZENN Motor Car Canadian approval
Dear Mr. Coons (Matthew Coons, Senior Regulatory Development Engineer, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation Directorate, Department of Transport),
Please explain and clarify why your agency reversed its decision to approve the ZENN Low Speed Vehicle for sale in Canada. Might I suggest that your agency's decision flies in the face of all that is happening in the world of more green and environmental modes of transport. Here we have Canadian developed technology and a manufacturing plant ready to produce vehicles and now your agency's attitude and decisions will drive this innovative company out of Canada. Now that's really good policy given the traditional automobile manufacturing sector is suffering from production and economic setbacks.
I understand that 28 other countries including the USA have approved this vehicle for sale. I really do want to understand your agency's reasons for reversing your previous decision and what you expect ZENN Motor Cars to do to get approval from our government.
I look forward to your reply.
Gary Magwood
Norwegian Th!nk is back in production
The Zenn deserves a break...but customers do want speed. The new Th!nk which started production again in November has a 100 kph top speed.
Check out sites:
http://www.think.no and http://www.thinkglobal.no
This car has an interesting Canadian dimension. During the Clinton/Gore years of assistance to electric cars, Ford bought this line from Pivco, but shelved it fast when GWB came to power. In 2000, we outfitted it with a Hydro-Quebec lithium battery (another EV casualty)and it ran away from the competition at a Montreal EV show.
It should be coming to North America in 2 years and will meet Canadian highway regulations.
Leo Williams
Nepean-Carleton
How about an electric car that you can drive underwater?
It appears to be real; note Mr. Bond and companion in scuba masks.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/an_electri...
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
Ministers of Environment and Transport have never seen the Zenn
A recent rerun of Rick Mercer was on CBC last night. It was the show where Rick toured the Zenn factory. He asked the president of the company if John Baird, our alleged Minister of the Environment, or the Minister of Transport had ever driven a Zenn. No. They have not visited the only Canadian electric car company, ever.
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
Zenn zere is zis car...
On the high-end scale there is the Tesla which, admittedly is out of most people's pice range, but an example of what electric cars are capable of right now.
http://www.teslamotors.com/
They are manufactured in California and sold in the States only, as they are also not approved for use in Canada, even with a top speed of 125 mph and 225 miles between charges. The 2008 models are sold out and there is a waiting list for the 2009 models.
Obviously this is designed for "WOW" factor and plans are underway for a less expensive vehicle and a more practical everyday design.
It just shows that this can and is being done now, with private investment and NO encouragement or investment from governments.
Good forward thinking, that.
John Percy
Sackville-Eastern Shore EDA
ZENN caveats
Allow me to quote a local friend, professor, and long-time small-g green, Dr. Peter Bursztyn, who has some caveats for ZENN-enthusiasts.
It looks very attractive on the surface, but there are some problems with the ZENN. Some can be fixed, others probably not.
The first problem is the batteries - olde worlde lead acid. These are reliable, cheap but HEAVY and environmentally nasty when disposed of. If a deep-pocket investor comes forward, another lighter, more capacious battery could be adapted - which would make the vehicle more costly.
Another problem is crash worthiness. The reason it has not been approved for sale in Canada is its inability to protect occupants in a crash - particularly when the opponent is a 3-tonne pick-up or similar. The great weight of the lead acid batteries also contributes substantially to the ZENNs own momentum - propensity to self-destruct should it hit a tree . . .
According to the info, ZENN is limited to 40kmph. This is very slow almost anywhere but a school zone! Presumably that could be remedied, but would reduce range or increase cost.
Range is a serious problem. In summer there is no difficulty, but in winter two things happen. All storage batteries suffer from loss of capacity in cold weather. At -10C you can expect capacity to be halved. Then you need cabin heat. At the minimum, heating the vehicle will cut range in half. Then there are the other accessories like wipers, lights, etc. So in winter, you can expect range to be 20% or less of summer range! Not many people in Southern California think about winter when they are designing cars!
(personal email March 21, quoted with permission)
Obviously one way to deal with the issue of asymmetric collisions would be to get the heavier personal vehicles off the road - such as by requiring anyone driving anything over 1.5 tonnes in an urban area to have special 'heavy vehicle' training & license. This would winnow out the Hummers and larger SUVs/pickup trucks from city streets and cull them back to use by businesses that really need them instead of mere penis-extension tools.
Erich Jacoby-Hawkins
Barrie, ON
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No question that the Zenn is not for everyone or everything
Nobody is going to be taking a Zenn on the 401 anytime soon! However, especially here in southern BC, they could be a great little car, or replace the second car for many people.
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
ZENN ZENN ZOOM!
Good news about ultracapacitors etc. Companies are indeed working on batteries that will "make the ZENN capable of highway speeds" (CBC).
As far as regulating vehicles, hmm. Perhaps - I'm all for getting Hummers/Tactical Environmental Assault Vehicles off the roads, Erich, but I think that if there is a problem with crash safety, ZENN (and other small cars) need to take structural improvements on themselves.
A personal safety approach just makes sense - why rely on the other cars to be safe rather than ensuring your own safety? Self-caution rather than relying on others to look out for you?
Volvo invests heavily in making their cars safe, and they've built up a 'sturdy' reputation for themselves (pun absolutely intended). If ZENNs can prove themselves in standard specs as well as being the environmental choice, then I think you've really got a winner.
However creating a licensing/restriction program on urban vehicles as little as 1.5 tonnes is a hassle I doubt the government would buy into.
We can expect these technologies to get better and better with time. Look how far the petrol car has come from its beginnings. But let's hope that time is not long.
Electric Car Regulations.
Dear Mr. Coons
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Regulations should be loosened not tightened with regard to operation of lowspeed electric cars on Canadian roads in order to fight green house gas emissions and support a Canadian Industry. If they are not it clearly shows that The Harper govt. is not only paying lip service to lowering greenhouse gasses but in fact is actively working to allow increases to occur by subsidizing big oil and the combustion engine companies while at the same time putting in obstructive regulations to make it difficult for our Canadian owned electric car companies to operate and sell cars in Canada. This in my view borders on treasonous behaviour when the govt puts the profit of American owned companies over the well being of Canadians.This will be a major issue in the next election since it is a no brainer and indefensible. The argument that allowing electric cars would hurt jobs of Canadians in the automotive industry is ludicrous since jobs would open up in the electric car industry if allowed to expand
All the arguments against
All the arguments against the approval of the Zenn car are spurious and ludicrous in the face of the fact that bicycles and electric assisted bikes are allowed on our highways ( although not on our super highways.) and are surely more vulneable and traffic slowing than Zenn cars. I would suggest it would be a heck of a lot safer to drive a zenn car than to ride a bike.
And the most cogent point made so far is that if we do not support our own Canadian electric car industry we will be buying foreign ones. How short sighted and un-Canadian is that.
Transport Canada anti-Zenn
Here's an article from The Economist on electric cars in Canada.
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubjec...
Canadian electric cars today's Avro Arrow?
Some quotes from the Economist Article titled Not on our roads: Bureaucrats against electric cars, and progress:
IN THESE times of high petrol prices and worries about climate change, you might think that any country would be proud to enjoy a lead in manufacturing electric cars. Not Canada, it seems.
...almost all these “low-speed vehicles” (or LSVs) are exported to the United States because Canada refuses to allow their use on public roads. Transport Canada, the regulatory agency, questions their safety. It doubts they would stand up in a collision with a delivery truck or a sport utility vehicle. Officials say they crash-tested one which didn't fare well, though they refuse to release the data. [Emphasis added]
The Delta, which is made in BC, is already gone. The company decided to give up on fighting the Canadian government and has sold to a Pakistani company, and the cars will be manufactured in Pakistan and exported to the United States. ZENN continues to fight, but the owner said that
“Two senior, entrenched bureaucrats have told me personally that if it is the last thing they do, they'll keep LSVs off the road in Canada,” he says.
Sounds like it's time for Mr. Harper to keep his "Made in Canada" promise. If he was ever sincere about that, of course.
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy
New family car Zenn coming!
The cityZENN is planned to be a fully certified, highway capable vehicle with a top speed of 125 kph/80 mph and a range of 400 km/250 miles.
It is rechargeable in less than 5 minutes because it is powered by capacitors, and its operating costs are one-tenth that of combustion cars. Check it out on YouTube: http://youtube.com/user/zenntv. [Note, YouTube is down at the time of this writing.]
Brian Gordon
Nominated Candidate, Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
Green Party of Canada
Trained Presenter
An Inconvenient Truth
People - Planet - Prosperity
The New Green Economy