Where is the disclaimer on this BLOG article?
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By Russell McOrmond on 24 July 2007 - 9:24am
Since the media and average Canadians are increasingly discovering and paying attention to the Greens, we need to be more clear about who have been elected to be spokespersons for the party. I think we should ensure that the template for this site detect whether a page is BLOG related and put up a disclaimer that makes clear that the views expressed are those of an individual party member and not the party as a whole.
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Seconded
Seconded. In fact, I don't think this is the best place for every member to have a blog, as posts on our official site are too easily confused as being official. (Go figure.) It would make more sense to me for Green blogs to be aggregated on a separate site (like Green Bloggers).
For anyone who doesn't think this is a problem, see:
http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2007/05/20/the-green-p...
Problem?
Chris, you said yourself in reply to the "fascists" blog (one of few)
"All this proves is that the Green Party is engaged in an experiment of unprecedented openness."
So some blogger with no traffic/comments calls us fascists, he also says we'll "spit in your cereal" (among worse). Your link probably produced more traffic than he's had for a year!
Are you seriously suggesting the GPC restrict members blogs because of that?
Blogs help french web site
Blog posts help keep the french version of the web site more up to date, as the GPC HQ does not have the ressources to translate everything.
What I would like to see is:
- Along with the "star", a vote to say wheather the post should be "visible to members only" or "visible to visitors". Whichever option has the more votes determines the visibility of the article.
- Comments only visible to members.
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Visibility
Your "votes" (number of stars), the number of comments and the number of reads all contribute to the visibility of blogs. Those that rank low get very little traffic.
We (Web Team) get complaints from bloggers that their posts aren't more prominent, a quick read usually makes it obvious why.
The difference between blogs and policy
We all know that there is a significant difference between blog content and policy. However, I agree with Chris that we should not feed the disinformation machine that runs now, and will hit high gear when the next election comes. That machine will not make a distinction between fact and nuance, policy and opinion.
One of my concerns is that this site carries some weight because it is only members who are allowed to post and comment. This in turn suggests that the opinions expressed, at the very least, come from inside the party, and possibly have more significance than that. However, if we look at it another way, a political opponent can, for a $10 membership, post anything they like on our national website, with the added weight of appearing to be an insider.
IMHO, blogs should be hosted outside, and then they should be open to allow anyone to comment on the posted blogs. That way, we can have a discussion with the world, instead of having the world watch our "internal" discussion (or "mine" it for ammunition). I am not suggesting that we restrict the expression of diverse opinion. I am suggesting that the party deserves and needs better control of its official message and image.
In my brief career in politics, I have run across many different kinds of people in this party and in others: single issue zealots, profoundly negative objectors, whiners, poor communicators and more than a couple of people who have mental health concerns. The world needs all of these people, but I am not sure that it is prudent for the party to give them all a quasi-official voice just for the asking.
Jim Johnston,
Lambton-Kent-Middlesex
I have to agree that open
I have to agree that open blogging on this site invites misunderstandings and or sabotage. A disclaimer will only give you grounds to explain an inappropriate post but it will not undo the damage.
So who should blog officially for the Party?
Elizabeth obviously,
Shadow Cabinet/council - sure
Candidates-? They should probably have their own riding site anyways
lackeys like me- probably not
So where should the banned members blog? We still need an avenue for open talk where we can stretch the limits and discuss hot topics/policy without bringing problems down on the party.
Green Bloggers is an option, however it is one ugly, marginaly functional site which deserves replacement with a Canada centric site of higher utility.
"ANYONE WHO BELIEVES EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CAN GO ON FOREVER IN A FINITE WORLD IS EITHER A MADMAN OR AN ECONOMIST"
KENNETH BOULDING
Predictable
A predictable consequence of segregating the members blogs would be a significant reduction of traffic on the main website.
The "authentic" (unmoderated or edited) voices on our website, starting in 2004 with "Candidate Profiles" by Brent Reaney, continuing with "Tales of the Tour" (Derek and David) and now members blogs have been consistently the most controversial and most popular.
Frankly, when it comes to blogs "controversial" and "popular" seem synonymous.
Another consequence would be a dramatic reduction of traffic on the blogs. The fact that the blogs are integral with the GPC's main website and that members, identified by real name, speak freely does give considerable attention, and maybe weight, to posts. That would not be the case on a separate website.
As a political party we have to have the confidence that we can conduct a civil, open and public debate on controversial and sometimes divisive issues, at the very least among our membership.
If we can't. Are we capable of governing? Well?
Is any party?
If we can't. Shouldn't we learn?
Isn't that fundamental to democracy?
Inevitable
It's tempting to believe we can go back or gain control of the Internet; any attempts creates a reaction that crops up elsewhere. Wherever our friendly or renegate Web communities are, it will make no difference.
We are not alone, other parties are facing this, it's just that we were the first.
Let's not forget the events that led to the suing of Google, Yahoo, and many of our members originated right here, within us, and is a hard lesson on the futility of harnessing electronic communication. Can we learn anything from that ongoing and endless saga?
Transparency is the best defense.
Collaborative tools are the power here
One things that keeps me coming back to this site *are* the blogs. What are different GPC member thinking? What are they doing? The HQ news don't hold as much value to me.
The current collaborative process is a very good one to engage one. GPC would loose member input, discussion and free English & French material by banning blogs completely. Something it can't get with its limited staff.
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Nothing To Worry About
As a member of the Reform Party there were times when I was afraid to watch the news for fear of what some Reform Newbie had done to isolate yet another minority group. That is not an issue here.
The Green Party simply does not attract the nutters. Most of the posts to this site are insightful, well thought-out and completely congruent with the party's core values.
Having said that I would caution all posters to think before pressing the Post button. You don't want to see your words on an anti-Green website being used to smear your party so consider whether your words are giving the opposition ammunition.
Stephen R. Feltmate
disclaimer
Keep the blogs public. Add a disclaimer.
In the meantime, add your own disclaimer.
Just like I have. Copy mine, if you like.
Erich Jacoby-Hawkins
Barrie, ON
The views I express on this blog are purely my own and should not be construed to represent the official position of the Green Party of Canada - the same goes for all other people's posts & comments.
Erich Jacoby-Hawkins, Barrie ON - although I'm on Cabinet (Nat'l Rev. and Ecol. Fiscal Reform), views here are my own and may not reflect official GPC positions. Please visit www.ErichtheGreen.ca
Openess more important right now.
I just posted this elsewhere when I saw someone asking about it and I thought I would toss it here and add a bit more.
I don't think anything serious has come from members being open on the official web site and I don't think they should be removed but people opposed to the Greens do come here and try to pass off statements as policy. I have seen it as well as finding one or two of my blog posts on sites which try to spin the post as something bad within the party.
I thought about it and as a nominated candidate I should be more careful with my posts in the sense of distinguishing personal opinion from presenting policy. So I have recently gone through several posts and put a disclaimer on them. You will notice that a disclaimer is now incorporated in my signature as well. I think it is a prudent thing to do and a quick, simple task of writing two sentences.
I think when the media really want something they will find it anyway and won't necessarily decline from presenting an individual blog statement posted off site as the view of the party. If the point of the media story is to present the party in a bad light, they'll dig it up. I agree that we should be careful about what we post. Is it really important that you say what you are saying on the official site? Keep track of what you have posted. Re-read what you have posted already and if there is something that sets off a feeling of unease then take note of it for the future.
This blog reflects my personal opinion.
It is not official Green Party Policy.
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Threat of an opinion
The Canadian public is more sophisticated than we want to believe and I wonder if a network could present a story using blogs as evidence; I would worry someone looks closely at my sources.
As dutiful bloggers our self-censoring notice could read "Warning: this blog may contain my opinion".
I love it!
Gareth Davies
Nanaimo-Alberni EDA
Parksville, BC
Quote, unquote:
As dutiful bloggers our self-censoring notice could read "Warning: this blog may contain my opinion".
Pierre, what a fantastic caveat! Thanks for getting your point across with such a great sense of humour.
Cheers.
: )
What's so wrong with the truth?
I've never understood why people would want to be able to publish statements of opinion that are not based on verifiable facts. The truth is great. It's an absolute defence to defamation (at least in English law). Conscientious people should have no fear of defamation actions. Remember the "McLibel" defendants in England?
What's so wrong with relying on truth? I thought it's supposed to set you free.
Markus Buchart
Winnipeg Centre
Winnipeg, Manitoba