Meeting the MEET - by a member of the "Group of 4"

I am proud to belong to this recently formed "Gang of 4" - sorry, I meant Group of 4! This party needs to discuss all issues in the open, if we want to distinguish ourselves from the three other old and tired parties. Here is my contribution to this discussion:

In politics, and I dare say especially in international affaires, any two people might have three opinions on any one issue. That is because of the complexity of the issues, the background of the opinion givers, the remoteness of the country being discussed, and the written and visual material that helps formulate opinion.

So, who should we believe? And how do those of us who think for themselves, as opposed to regurgitating what they heard on CFRA or saw on Al-Jazeera, come to some rational opinion?

I believe that one tool is one that I have consistently used, and which I call by the acronym MEET, which stands for Moral & Ethical Equivalency Test. The best way to do this is to use an example, that of Afghanistan, seeing that the country is split almost down the middle on this issue.

Let us assume for now that 9/11 was indeed caused by those seventeen Muslim Arabs, most of whom were Saudis attacking buildings in the USA.
(But, for the real story look up: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-571690553... or google "truth9/11.org")

In this scenario those Muslims were supposedly connected to another Saudi living in Afghanistan. Thus, the injured party demands the surrender of OBL. The host country, Afghanistan offers to hand over OBL to The Hague, but the USA refuses and attacks. Now, people like Manley and like-minded individuals urge the participation of Canada, which has not been attacked or even threatened at the moment of its entry into the American invasion of Afghanistan, because we are “allies”. And five years and 81 dead bodies later we are agonizing over whether to leave.

The comparison is not perfect, but let us run the MEET test:
A radical Australian leader is living in New Zealand. He has admirers and followers in Australia, who somehow find the very complex means to blow up one of the major sports stadiums in Beijing later this summer, killing 3000 spectators and athletes. China, as we all know is a proud and powerful nation, and will be the superpower within the next five years, I would guess. It asks for the surrender of this Aussie living in Auckland. New Zealand refuses, and says he has not committed any crime according to its knowledge, but is more than willing to send him to the Hague. China does not attack or devastate Australia. Instead, it occupies New Zealand for 5 years and plans to stay for an unspecified time, with plans to make major cultural changes in its society, including changing the way New Zealand women dress.

But now the plot thickens. China, with its enormous might and very strong trade relations with Vietnam, demands and gets the full combat participation of Vietnam, since there are enough war mongers in Vietnam to make this possible, and since it feels it must support its neighbour.

The MEET question for those who speak for or about foreign affaires is:
Is Vietnam right to attack New Zealand?

Qais Ghanem

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Thought provoking

Thanks Qais for this thought-provoking blog post. I'm still thinking about it, so I won't post. (Which would be thinking out loud, a dangerous thing for a politician to do.) :-)

Brian Gordon
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MEET is a brilliant approach

It allows you to think abstractly about subjects that are otherwise clouded in emotion.
When campaigning, I always present the Greens as the party of fresh rational thought, as opposed to stale dogma. MEET is a useful tool if a party is honestly trying to think clearly about issues.

This misses the point of being in Afghanistan

Let build a more accurate analogy for the MEET.

First of all, New Zealand must be a "failed state" in the middle of a civil war that has gone on for years and years. One side is corrupt, the other is a fascist fundamentalist group that still has its head stuck in the middle-ages.

Secondly, "Vietnam" must be a member of an alliance of middle-sized powers that believe that their long-term security involves creating rule of law around the world---primarily to reign in the wild gyrations of "China" which is making all sorts of weird statements about how they get to make all the rules from now on. In order to exert some minimal control over "China", the nations of "Thailand", "Japan", "Korea", "India", "Singapore", "Taiwan" and "Vietnam" decide to invade Afghanistan in order to slow down and moderate the crazed behaviour of "China". (On the principle of "you don't get to make the rules if you don't play the game.")

Once in the country, it turns out that there is widespread support for the nations of this alliance and one side of the New Zealand civil war quickly takes over the entire country. In the Northern Island peace is quickly restored, damaged infrastructure is being repaired, refugees are returning, and life is getting better. Unfortunately, in the Southern Island "die hards" are continuing to raise a fuss and intimidate the locals, so "Vietnam" continues to have to tie them down in a grinding counter-insurgency war so the rest of the Country can become strong enough to use its own armed forces and police to stabilize the South enough to do the same sort of work that is happening the North.

Frankly, I don't see any sense at all your analogy, and if that is what MEET means, I don't think that the party should be using it.

"There is always an easy solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong." H.L. Mencken

"There is always an easy solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong." H.L. Mencken

Shoe on the Other Foot Test

Frankly I like Qais' approach to problem-solving. Sometimes all it takes is a little thought experiment to assess one's own position. Imagining the reverse situation is only nonsensical for the intellectually dishonest.

I guess the more heavily armed state has the option of deciding whether the lesser-armed state has "failed". If the lesser-armed state feels that the heavily-armed state has also failed, does that count for anything?

Do not forget method

Great stuff. I do not understand where all the warmongers in the party have come from. We make better impression upon the world by example and reward
http://herbinator.blogspot.com/2005/06/cida.html
Good countries get rewarded, bad countries do not.
Lead by example.
Do unto others ... n stuff like that there.

Some few countries really trying to bring about respectful peace and stability within their boundaries could surely have benefited from the monies wasted in Afghanistan in support of one side in a civil war.

I recall a Liberian diplomat traveling across Canada begging for reconstruction money after they settled their terrible civil war. Nope, our money goes into fomenting Afghan dissent.
http://herbinator.blogspot.com/2007/04/are-we-winn...

It is getting harder and harder to believe that the green party is a party of peace.

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... Member since 1996.