Update on Grassroots Protests Against Contempt of Parliament
Since I posted my last blog on New Year's Eve, urging Canadians to demand respect for democracy and accountability from their government, I have been heartened to see so many actions launched. People who have never been political in their lives are organizing.
January 23 has been chosen as a day for rallies for democracy. I am going to post all those sites where actions are proposed. These efforts are not those of the Green Party. I want to be clear that we are not trying to claim "credit" for this grassroots movement, neither do we necessarily support every call for action. But the word needs to spread and greens from across Canada should support local actions in their area. The list grows daily, so let me know if we have missed any.
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Montreal chapter
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=240931110839
Kelowna-Okanagan Chapter
For those Greens in Kelowna (Okanagan) please join this facebook group to show your support and help organize a rally.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?v=wall&ref=nf&gid=394885890526
Barrie chapter signs on
Barrie, Ontario will be a part of this action:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=237914414270
Waterloo Region march and rally
Waterloo, Kitchener, and Cambridge will be part as well:
http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=239179835749&ref=ts
This event is non-partisan but greens will be there.
Matthew Piggott
Kitchener Centre
There is no Groundswell
Harper knows he can treat Parliament with contempt because Canadians don't really care. Most folk think that Parliament is ineffective at the best of times and that most of the debate in the House of Commons is just posturing (which sadly it is much of the time).
Although I personally think that allowing Harper to perogue Parliament to avoid accountability for his minority government is a serious issue, I doubt that our opinion is shared by the majority of Canadians who didn't care when he did it last year and don't seem to care again this year.
Elizabeth's "groundswell" is only among the politically active 10% of Canadians.
We need to focus our energy on speaking out on issues that Canadians can and do identify with if we want to tap into a real groundswell.
For example, the pat-downs and virtual strip searches in airports is a far more visible affront to Real Democracy.
prorogation of parliament
This is the point M. Renaud -
We can not have a debate with regards to our new security measures that will be initiated in our airports, at astronimical costs, and it has been proposed that the most important fight against terrorist attacks would be for each security agency to communicate immediately. This is why we need a National debate, and MP's of all parties' to be at their posts, and debating in Parliamentary commitees in my humble opinion.
blossom
Without taking a
Without taking a statistically valid poll, its not possible to state ‘categorically’ what is or isn't a groundswell, or what will, or will not motivate Canadians.
However, one can make a relative judgment based on the amount and character of emails that the major media receive. And also by assessing the news and media coverage. But it also depends on how persuasive a case that the opposition can make on an issue. Hence, an opportunity for the GPC to lead.
Surveying the traditional print, on-line media and the more well-read blogs, it is striking that even the traditional right-wing supporters of the Conservatives are criticizing this trend to undemocratically close parliament whenever its convenient.
Canadians may be disappointed with parliament, but they are value-conscious. They work hard and they don’t want politicians on a perpetual holiday. Especially dictated by a minority of members. I think its too early to write-off the public just yet.
“There is a tide in the affairs…”
Harper dropping in polls
Good news - it appears the public is noticing to some degree as Harper dropped a few points in the latest polls (while the GPC moved up to 13%). The EKOS poll states that over 1/3 of CPC supporters (35%) are even against prorogation.
It takes a lot to get the public moving, but it looks like Harper might finally have found the wrong toe to step on.
Wellington-Halton Hills
Facebook only a tiny first step
The Con's and the media seem to be giving a lot of voice to the notion that Facebook group protests are essentially meaningless. "Slactivism" is the pejorative for the nearly effortless click-to-join level of committment. Chris White, the guy who started the biggest FB group (85,000) was interviewed by Ghomeshi this AM and, with qualifications, he said the same thing.
What these groups can do is mobilize "traditional" protest. The FB group urges citizens to write to their MPs and tell them to get back to work. The rallies are of the utmost importance and present a big opportunity to demonstrate (pun intended) Harper's despotism.
I'm encouraged by our bump in the polls and I think that it has a lot to do with Elizabeth's early, strong denunciation of prorogation along with the "kick and scream" quote.
As an additional call to action, I think it would be great if we saw multi-party/NGO/volunteer organizing committees formed in the major centres where rallies are taking place. Maybe if voters see the opposition parties working together for the sake of democracy, they'd be more open to a coalition.
As an aside, I think the rallies should be referred to as "Pro-Democracy Rallies" --- like in other dictatorships around the world. Prorogation is really only the last straw in Harper's litany of abuses.
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The views expressed here are mine alone and are not the official position of the Green Party of Canada.
NGO volunteer organizing comniteees
Coalitions work well in other Countries, but proportional representation just might oust the bloc, and then in certain instances; we might be lead to initiate a coalition, and I so agree that if we saw leaders of the other Parties, organize, and show that they mean it, since none of these parties seem ready to call an election...I am not so sure that once at the polls that Mr. Harper would actually win a majority. I agree that those who pay attention, and keep this issue alive, might stir and agitate the rest of the apathetic and disgusted voters who no longer voice their opionion at the polls. The outcry is - for PM Harper to get back to work, and pass those Bills, and face the music re. Isotopes, Richard Colvin's report on detainees...White collar criminals that was never adopted, will have to be re-introduced in the Spring.
Legislation to eliminate house arrests for serious crimes will not pass. Auto theft - internet service providers to report child pornography content are also amongst the bills which will have to be re-introduced in the next Parliament session. The list goes on!
blossom
PS:
I would like to be able to presently prorogue my daily life, and join the conservatives at the Olympics...Shouldn't all Canadians benefit also?
Local Demonstrations - Partisan Affairs
Here in Sudbury, the local NDP MP’s have seized the high-ground with regards to the January 23, 2010 demonstration. There’s little to suggest that the demonstration is going to be anything but a partisan affair. I’m reluctant to suggest to our local Green Party people that they might want to show up to this demonstration – there was no invitation for us to participate, and no expectation that we would. Why would the NDP want us there? I mean, kudos to the NDP locally for being out in front on this issue. It’s easier for them to organize given that they have two MP’s here, and their close affiliation with local unions.
Another demonstration by Greens locally would only be a shadow of what’s currently being planned by the NDP and their union partners.
My question to you: if you’re from the Green Party, would you just show up at an NDP rally with your banners and flags flying, even though the stage will be cluttered with NDP speakers only?
I suspect that the NDP is very keen on keeping Liberals and Greens out of these demonstrations elsewhere as well. Where demonstrations are not being planned by Democracy watch-groups, they will have a very partisan and orange flavour.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, and maybe what you’re experiencing elsewhere in terms of the demonstrations being planned.
Doesn't hurt to ask
Why not call the people organising it and see what they say? Maybe they'd welcome a multi-partisan / non-partisan crowd. After all, they do want a crowd right?
Took your advice
Michael, I took your advice, and fired off an email...I'll let you know what happens. If it doesn't work out, well, while I don't think a city our size would benefit from two separate events, we might just have to "get creative" and go that route.
Non-partisan here
Our region's event has been non-partisan from the get-go. Is the "NDP" event to take place on public property? If so, then you should demand that it be non-partisan (if they rebuff your email). Certainly the NDP aren't the only party affected by prorogation. Get your Greens out there with signs (both Green and pro-democracy) and get your local candidates to the podium.
Ditto Waterloo Region
It's non-partisan here too. If one party is trying to dominate the rally than insist that you be included too.
Matthew Piggott
Kitchener Centre
Ekos Poll data
Ekos poll on recent prorogation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/ekos-full-report-jan7-10.pdf
http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/ekos-data-tables-100107.pdf
Liberals are trying to own this issue
After a week and a half of mysterious absence at an 'undisclosed' location (in Europe?), Iggy is now trying to take the high ground on this issue by pulling a publicity-stunt.
The Liberals need to be agressively 'called-out' on proroguing; Chrétien used it to delay investigations into the Sponsorship Scandal. Iggy's 35 year absence from Canada doesn't exonerate the Liberal party from its shameful record.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/748497--liberal-mps-coming-ba...
And the official party position is?
Elizabeth has commented here in her blog upon this affront to our democracy but I note with surprise that no offical party statement has (as yet) been forthcomming. Should not "the party" be making our position clear at this time when democracy, or the lack thereoff, in our parlimentry system is reciving FAR more attention than it normaly does?
It's official
There is an official press release which indicates our party's position.
Elizabeth's leader's blog on the Green Party website is also pretty much considered official - or try to convince someone that it's not.
43 days?
Wow, now there is a nice line to use in any debates come next election (via that press release). "The federal government sat for just 43 days in 2009. We'll push to keep it working rather than keeping it closed." Or something to that effect.
I'm amazed the media hasn't done more with that figure. Who doesn't just shake their head at it? They sat for less than one day out of every 8. Nice job if you can get it (and yes, I know they do more than just parliment but jeez does that come off badly).
Wellington-Halton Hills
Incorrect information?
In reading that press release and subsequent comments in this thread it would appear that somewhere someone blew it.
"Originally scheduled to begin on January 25th, Parliament will now not sit until March 3. The result is that Parliament sat for a meagre 43 days in 2009."
According to the Parliamentary Web Site the house sat for 130 days not 43 days, am I missing something here?
Set a solid policy on when prorogation is OK
The NDP/Liberal parties are just saying it was wrong to do it now. We need to be different and say when it would be OK.
To me it should be set that prorogation only occurs when an election is called or under a very clear set of extreme conditions (no idea what those would be though). If we come out with that as our stance it would be easy to defend and would show leadership vs the other parties who want it available to them should they ever get into power.
Wellington-Halton Hills
"Give the House the Authority"
Complain or Lead
The Globe and Mail, the bastion of the status-quo is now out ahead of the GPC in advocating change. Proposing: a requirement of a majority in the House of Commons to prorogue. I proposed this as a policy in the members section January 6th and had one assent.
As long as this undemocratic loophole remains in place, the next government can and will use it also. Now that the precedents have been set.
Stole your thunder
Yes, sorry I should have mentioned. Here's David's proposal for the members. Your initial post David sounded like you were proposing a huge project of codifying Parliamentary rules, and you gave the prorogation rule as an example. I wasn't against your example, but the broader issue, of problems with our democracy, I believe has more to do with our FPTP system. While there seems to be a "groundswell" out there against the prorogation, I don't think our codifying arcane rules of Parliament will excite anyone, nor will it benefit us. We could propose the majority of the House to prorogue idea, I'm for that, but beyond that we should consider engaging the public in a discussion of ways to improve our democracy like proportional voting. It's good for democracy and the Green Party.
A Specific Proposal
It was meant to be a specific proposal. Requiring a majority vote in the house, but also putting some sane limits on proroguing under any conditions. But even that needed to be defined clearly:
"The public may be in no mood for a complete ‘constitutional’ overhaul, but they are clearly against the frequent and lengthy suspension of parliament at the whim of a minority government. An opportunity for the GPC to Lead Canadians:
1. Given that all bills and motions must be ratified by a majority vote in the House of Commons, therefore so must the prorogation of parliament meet this essential condition.
2. Given that the members of parliament are elected democratically to represent their constituents to the best of their ability in a full-time capacity, the cessation of parliament known as prorogation may only be enacted once per calendar year, and for a period no longer than forty-five days.
3. Respecting the above as having the equivalent to force of law, the Governor General of Canada is required to neither respond nor agree to a request to prorogue parliament that does not meet both these conditions, one and two (above).
4. Likewise the privy counsel or any other representative of the House of Commons who makes a request to the Governor General to prorogue parliament that does not meet both above conditions, one and two, shall be considered in contempt of parliament."
(Of course I'm playing at being a lawyer, so if anyone is one, please feel free to word-smith it.)
Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay