POP Quiz for Democracy fans!

OK, everyone really committed to regaining democracy in Canada; can you spot the whopper in the following statement from the Prime Minister?

“Do I realistically expect that everybody who works for me is perfect? No.  We can’t run an operation like that.  But when people make mistakes, we expect them to own up to them and learn from them and I’m sure they will in these cases.”

I am still reeling from hearing Stephen Harper say that on last night’s national television news in response to questions about bad (abusive) behaviour from his ministers in airports.

I am sure you all spotted it too.  “Works for me.”  Works for you?  No they do not work for you, Mr. Harper.  You are not CEO of Canada, Inc.  A wholly owned corporation of you.  These Members of Parliament, whom by your decision hold the title of Members of Privy Council, like you, are working for the people of Canada, through a venerable institution called the Parliament of Canada. 

What does it mean to be a “Member of Privy Council?”  Special access to you?  No, the Privy Council is a body historically to advice the monarch.  Our system does not directly elect a Prime Minister.  We elect 308 MPs and, in principle if not in practice, the Prime Minister is first among equals.  It would be constitutional for MPs to gather after an election and pick a lesser known MP with great skills in team-building and consensus development to be the Prime Minister.  The reason that cannot happen is that the MPs are also governed by something beyond our constitution -- the rules governing their political parties. 

These people do not work for the PM.  They owe their primary duty to the voters in their constituencies and to the country as a whole.  This is not “an operation.”  This is a democracy within which, Mr. Prime Minister, you hold a minority of public support.

I feel like having a tequila tantrum myself.  (No need to alert the authorities.  Any such tantrum will be in the privacy of my own angst about dwindling democracy.)

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I thought his statement

I thought his statement sounded strange, now I know why it grated the wrong way. This is good.

Are you going to send an abbreviated version into the Star? I'm sure they'd publish it.  If you don't want to, I will in different words send something.

 

Regards,

Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay

Esoterica..

Although it is an interesting point that cabinet ministers do not actually work for the PM, the fact that he effectively chooses who is or who is not a cabinet minister means that they are beholden to his authority.

It is also true that governments have been operating this way since I was born, so I think outrage can be restricted to the cynical and hypocritical.

This is esoterica that most voters won't appreciate. I also don't see any avenue by which this statement can increase our standing in the polls.

The biggest problem at the moment is that we are running huge deficits and concurrently lowering corporate taxes even though our corporate taxes are already very low -- we are basically pushing on a string.  We should be hammering Harper on that, but in fact we are relatively silent and weak when it comes to economic issues.  Oh well.

Bram, I think you are missing

Bram, I think you are missing the big picture. Although you bring up a good piont about the PM appointing the ministers, it the duty of the opposition to pick apart the government at every opportunity, and once again Elezibeth has proven that she is very good at this. As far as voters not appreciating this esoterica (what ever that means) this voter appreciates being reminded that the MP's are there to represent the people not the PM. As far as ecomomic issues, if you have ideas on how we can move forward, please share them with us. We all know the economie is in rough shape and there is no magic cure, so many different ideas will have to be explored.

Composting is one of the most important things you can do.

Vision Green

Hey Bram, Thought I'd remind you about our new Vision Green that was released on Jamuary 25. It's a great wealth of info about all policy, including economic. Go have a look, you'll be pleasently surprised. You might also go back and check out some of the news releases and blogs posted here on the site re: economy. :)

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Democracy is not an "esoteric" point

Cabinet ministers are not "beholden" to the prime minister's authority--they have a moral obligation only to their constitutents and the people of Canada. This is not an esoteric point, nor is it, as Bram Kivenko asserts, an accepted practice of government; rather, the total obedience of cabinet to the prime minister is a convention that many Canadians have cynically come to expect, yet nevertheless understand as fundamentally wrong. The Green party advocates democratic reform, and the Prime Minister's talk of ministers working "for him" is an unmistakable sign, which will not be lost on most Canadians, that such a renewal is urgently needed.

Esoterica.

What you'd like to be true is not relevant.  The PM can request that the GG appoint someone else to a cabinet position pretty much on a whim, so they are beholden to his authority.  If people don't like it, their only real avenue to hold anyone accountable is to appeal to the public at large and vote him, or his party out of office.

I know what the GPC advocates.  My problem is that this is a comment from our leader herself when someone else could have made the same remark.  Our leader's only function while not in parliament should be to get us in parliament, something which we have yet to succeed in doing.

Remember this article?  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/article727549.ece  Canadians don't know nor apparently care to know about our political system.  Recognize this is true, and live with the fact that the Conservatives enjoy about 40% of voter support even though they have acted recklessly recently.  Our support has gone nowhere.  I want our party to behave like a political party, not a support group for disaffected humanists.  This is something we are not very good at doing.  We cannot recognize what aspects of voter discontent to seize upon.  This is not one of them, and it has the downside of coming across as facetious.

The huge crazy deficit is something we should be hammering the Conservatives with.  This is something we should be doing.  Where is our outrage on that?  I thought we were supposed to represent fiscal responsibility?  Where is Canada getting $50B from?  Who is paying that back, our children?  Is that fair?  The stimulus money is mostly going to Conservative ridings two years too late.  This stimulus was largely wasted.  I'm still waiting for Ms. May to speak out about this mismanagement.

Undemocratic Mindset

This is but one small example of the ever increasing lack of respect for democracy by this regime, it clearly shows the mindset of Mr Harper and the PMO. We (and for that matter other political parties) can have all the “policies” we want but if our democratic systems are eroded to the point where every decision becomes a “crisis” then such policies will never see the light of day. Thank you Elizabeth for picking up on this, please keep fighting for our democracy as you have been for some time.

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Weak Points

The Liberal's weak point with the Public is their record of corruption, or the auditor general's politically correct term; 'culture of entitlement'. And of course their other weakness is a leader who is at home in academia, and not in politics.

Harper's weak point with the Media and the Public is the growing perception/awareness that he is ruling like a 'dictator' by his many actions; to circumvent parliament, intimidate the civil service, cutting funding to initiatives that don't serve his evangelical right-wing dogma, and his micro-managing/silencing of his party members.

Regardless of the analytical reality, any action or statement from him that feeds into this image - should be exposed and exploited to the maximum.  One can debate about how much this benefits the GPC verses other parties, and what are the real crucial issues. But preventing Harper from getting a majority is an absolute priority, at least in my view.

Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay

"Beholden" to whom?

"Beholden" means to be under a moral obligation to somebody. Cabinet ministers are never "beholden" to the prime minister; rather, in the spirit of democracy, they owe their service at all times to their constituents and the people of Canada. The political convention that many Canadians have cynically come to expect - where party loyalty trumps civic duty - cannot be said to have any moral basis whatsoever.

the Leader's job

Mr. Kivenko declares:

"My problem is that this is a comment from our leader herself when someone else could have made the same remark."

Why? This is absolutly the role of leader, as the prominent voice of the party. Both within the party and without.

Mr Kivenko deems the subject of democracy too obscure an interest for Canadian voters, and it seems he is right. Look no further than the turnout numbers. The conservatives beat up on our system frequently, and are rewarded for it. But only because no one else is calling them out. That is the role of opposition parties, and they are clearly falling down on this. In his own blogs, he states that

"...I'd like the GPC to actually take on opportunities to make things happen."

Well one of the ways we do that is to steer the national dialouge in directions we think it should go. Hands up everyone who thinks the other parties would be falling over themselves trying to green-up their platforms where it not for our frightening ability to draw their base out from under them.

And when the sitting government hands us a gem like that, we should pounce. We are the only party with a comitment to democratic reform, and this is right in line with that messaging. That is, Mr Kivenko, how opposition works.

Craig Pickthorne

Thanks for this interesting conversation

I firmly believe Canadians are crying out for real democracy.  Today's Globe and Mail had a letter to the editor from someone else making this point:  MPs work for Canadians, not for Mr. Harper. By the way, the party has been far from silent on the waste of money in the boondoggle stimulus package.  You will find detailed fiscal reviews of Harper's failed policies in our January 25th news release, the critiques of both the 2009 and 2010 budgets and our commitment to do more to address the structural deficit than any other party.  Of course, since, like climate change, Mr. Harper does not believe the structural deficit exists, no wonder his policies fail to address it.

Democracy

Sorry, I don't think I was clear. The party should certainly complain about Harper's comments. As you note, most canadians couldn't care about what transpired because they are disinterested. They do need education but don't want it. As such this issue is not a guaranteed winner -- Ms. May might come across as facetious or be so branded in the media. Ms. May should only be talking when she has known winners. This is how politics is played. Harper normally floats his crazy trial balloons through cabinet ministers first. We need to adopt the same strategy with Ms. May only stepping once we know she has something winning to say. This is politics. Let's start playing by the rules that exist, not the rules we wish existed.

Conservatives Cabinet Minister equivalent here?

The problem with having someone other than May float trial balloons is that we have very few people with media access while Harper has his entire cabinet plus misc. MP's as well.  Adriane Carr is known by the media but that is about it.

I suspect for any of our views to be heard by the public at large it is May or nothing.

John Northey
Wellington-Halton Hills

media access

I wasn't aware it was so bad. If what you say is true then national and specifically our leader should be working to build up a handful of publicly recognizable individuals. It cannot be up to the sum total of each EDA to produce such figures. Our national office, elected executive, shadow cabinet and leader need to be doing playing the media game to produce some media darlings.

Absolutely, who and where are

Absolutely, who and where are some other high visibility Green Party figures? They need to be included and built-up in the press releases, news stories, op-eds, videos etc. Doesn't matter how much you support the leader, one person can't do it all.

Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay

Difficulty in getting exposure

It is very difficult to get any exposure, even for Ms. May with the mainstream media.  They are extremely focused on the CPC and Liberals with a small amount of time for the NDP and Bloc.  If you just followed the media you'd think the CPC/Liberals had 90% of the electorate, NDP 5%, Bloc 4%, and Green Party 1%.  Meanwhile the true figures are closer to CPC/Liberal 60%, NDP 18%, Green 10%, Bloc 9%, and other 3%.

How to change that?  Well, I think the biggest reason the CPC and Liberals get so much coverage is they both have big media campaigns every election (and between) thus feeding the media and keeping them in business.  Just check the number of government ads in the newspapers (big and small)  and listen to the radio and watch TV for all of those ads as well.  Each time one happens that is a strong encouragement to the msm to promote the big 2 as they will keep the taps open.  Thus if we want more exposure we need to create it first.  

For the next election we should, especially in major population centres, look at doing radio ads first.  Radio advertising is a LOT cheaper than TV or newspaper advertising.  It can hit young voters (music stations) or older voters (talk radio).  I'd suggest two types of ads - for the music stations ones that push them to get out and vote as we know we have 25% of the youth vote, and ads that push our tax plans (cutting 'job killer' taxes by 1/3rd vs the CPC increasing them by 1/3rd) on the talk radio stations (listened largely by older white males who do get out and vote).  IMO the talk radio can produce the best results as we know they vote and odds are they vote CPC but will be annoyed by the massive debt and if we show that the CPC is INCREASING taxes (and job killers at that) while we'd DECREASE them then we just might pull off some of the old reform voters and knock down the CPC in a few swing ridings in the burbs thus accomplishing two tasks at once - upping our vote and knocking down the CPC vote.

John Northey
Wellington-Halton Hills

Building up exposure..

Two things.  First off, I'm not sure how much a dent you'd make advertising to CPC supporters.  I happen to be a conservative who is sick of modern conservatism -- fiscal imprudence coupled with social inequity and religious extremism.  But I also happen to feel like I am an exception.

Secondly.  It's very easy to make someone popular with the press: give him/her an expense account.  It does not take a lot of money for a national party, but wining and dining buys a lot of attention from jouralists who do not get paid very much.  A little hospitality goes a long way.  And from what I can gather, arranging special access to events (even if totally unrelated to anything) curries a lot of favour.  If national could afford a few hundred dollars per week "free spending" each for a few people, we'd get some press.  Period.

Ex-Con's

Well Bram, you are 'talking' to someone who used to vote PC, Reform, Alliance in the past.  Our last leader before May was an ex-PC, and you consider yourself a bit conservative too.  There are 3 very quick examples.  I also have a relative who used to donate significant amounts to the CPC but is disillusioned and was looking for someone else and after explaining the GPC policies he now is seriously considering jumping over.

A person who is a true conservative would jump to the GPC very quickly if they A) knew our policies B) thought we'd follow through C) thought we could win.  I find all conservatives I know who I get to talk to about it seriously tend to push us to their #2 position and the odd time to #1.  We need to get the general public to understand we are not an extreme NDP, we are a true center party where taxes will be shifted away from things that are 'good' to things that are 'bad', where we see nature as a finite resource that needs to be maintained just like a budget needs to be maintained.   To get A-C points to the CPC voters we need to advertise and target them - they may not have us as their #2 or #1 choice yet, but that is due to the media calling us 'left wing' and 'NDP in a hurry' due to laziness on the media's part.

John Northey
Wellington-Halton Hills

It all sounds good. At the

It all sounds good.

At the risk of getting a bad mark from the 1984-thought-police, for appearing not to unequivocally support our leader, we do have a communications program based uniquely on one person. We can rationalize that its because it is just so difficult, but it isn't really, as Bram points out. Not everybody resonates with E.May or any other one individual for that matter.

When you have a 'team' you can attract more supporters and look like a government or at least an opposition in waiting. Not a lone environmental advocate. An inclusive movement that showcases progressive people from different professions; business, engineering, management, etc. The team members complement each other and it’s a win-win.

For the general public to accept a young party and abstract ideas, they need to first ‘identify’ with the people promoting them. That’s just politics. Unless we have someone that is so charismatic he or she creates a new version of ‘Trudeaumania’ we need to reach out by broadening representation. 

Respectfully, D. Scott Barclay

Question everything!

Thanks Elizabeth,

That is why you are leader and we aren't. I didn't look very hard, but it would have taken me a while to see the blatant Id of Harper showing its ugly and dictatorial self. I guess my perceptions, being a middle class, white, educated, male, are not as sensitized to these things. Thank you for that.